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“there is nothing to suggest the incident [stabbing] was gang-related.”

As I set off driving the other day I saw the incident tape and a very bored looking wpc on the right hand side of Ferme Parke Road approaching the roundabout. This story of the stabbing in the Hornsey Journal perhaps explains why.

It is of course a great relief to know the incident was not gang related, just an every day story of angry folk. The club , BG Max, has recently taken on an increasingly sinister appearance. Not long ago it was a pub. One of its landladies sponsored art exhibitions in there, but pubbiness is going out of fashion. Boarded up pubs are just around every corner. What is in fashion is a "dynamic and vibrant late night economy". And its corollary, the 2am stabbing.

BG Max is now almost entirely shuttered almost all of the time. From the outside it looks seedy and unattractive. I don't know if it has been through the appropriate stages of bureaucracy to transform itself from a day time pub to a night time club. 

Luckily, though, we in the middle classes will soon be paying extra for our glass of wine under the minimum alcohol pricing proposals which might (or might not) help to reduce this sort of misbehaviour. 

If any one was at or near the sight or can help the police the details from the Journal article are:

Det Con Marysia Temple, of Haringey CID, said: “The BG Max nightclub was very busy at the time of the incident. We are keen to hear from anyone who was in or around the venue on the night of the assaults.

“Did you see what happened? Do you have any information? If you think you can help then please come forward.”

Anyone with information is asked to call DC Temple on 020 8345 0831. If they wish to remain anonymous they can call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

MAny Thanks to Tim Lamden for his tweet:


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HAringey is currently in the process of responding to a Home Office Consultation about a LAte Night Drinking Levy and Early Morning Restriction Orders. These are Haringey answers to Home Office Questions

Appendix 2
Questions
A list of the consultation questions are outlined below, some of which relate to the
impact assessment that has been produced by the Home Office also.
1: Do you think that the proposed processes for Early Morning Restriction
Orders include sufficient consultation with those likely to be affected by an
EMRO?
Yes, we would certainly consult with residents and businesses and licensed
premises operators as well as our neighbouring boroughs that would be affected
by this Order if it were to be imposed.
We await the regulations to inform us as to how hearings will be convened to
consider any representations. Would it be for the whole Regulatory committee to
hear these matters or for the smaller Licensing Sub Committee?
We would want to see representations heard by the whole Regulatory
Committee, who could then make recommendation to Full Council via a report
with evidence from RAs, Interested Parties and all those affected. The Full
Council could then decide on whether or not to impose an EMRO or not.
2: The government proposes that EMRO’s will not apply (i.e. will not restrict
alcohol sales) between midnight on 31st December and 6am on 1st January
of each year. Do you think that EMRO’s should apply on New Year’s Eve?
The Licensing Authority would need to apply its own discretion as whether or not
to allow New Years Eve to be exempted. We are not sure that it is appropriate for
there to be a general exemption to New Years Eve.
New Years Eve has previously been under special provisions and this has not
caused any major problems over the years in our area, but that cannot be said for
everyone.
3: Do you agree or disagree that the categories of premises below should
be exempt from EMRO’s?
Premises with overnight accommodation
Premises at which the sale of alcohol is subject to a condition to the effect that,
between midnight and 6am, such sales can only be made to residents for
consumption on the premises. This will not exempt hotels and guest houses that
serve alcohol to members of the public who are not staying overnight at the
premises.
Theatres and cinemas
Premises at which the sale of alcohol is subject to a condition to the effect that,
between midnight and 6am, such sales can only be made to ticket holders or
participants in the production for consumption on the premises, when there
is otherwise no access to the general public.
Community premises
Those premises that have successfully applied to remove the mandatory DPS
Page 41requirement.
Casinos and bingo halls with a membership scheme
Premises licensed to provide these facilities for gambling under the Gambling Act
2005 with a membership scheme in operation
We would welcome these categories in the list. (Do Members have any others
that the feel should be highlighted)
4: Do you have any other suggestions on the types of premises that should
be considered for an exemption from EMRO’s?
No.
5: Do you think that there should be an option for local residents/
community groups to recommend the implementation of the levy in their
area?
No, there are existing options available that to residents and residents
association to make their concerns known to Ward members. We feel it is
appropriate for the Licensing authority in conjunction with the Police, and Crime
Commissioner to make decision on whether to propose to introduce the levy.
6: Do you agree or disagree that licensing authorities should be able to
exempt these premises from the levy?
Premises with overnight accommodation
Premises at which the sale of alcohol is subject to a condition to the effect that,
between midnight and 6am, such sales can only be made to residents for
consumption on the premises. This will not exempt hotels and guest houses that
serve alcohol to members of the public who are not staying overnight at the
premises.
Restaurants
Premises that have condition(s) on their licence that have the effect of making
clear their status as restaurants run on a permanent, more formal basis. These
could, for example, include conditions which require that, between midnight and
6am:
I. customers are shown to their table;
II. food is provided in the form of substantial table meals that are served and
consumed at the table;
III. premises primarily serve meals to those eating at them, and
IV. alcohol is not to be supplied to, or consumed on the premises by, any
person other than those who are taking substantial table meals and where
the consumption of alcohol by such persons is ancillary to taking such
meals.
Theatres and cinemas
Premises at which the sale of alcohol is subject to a condition to the effect that,
between midnight and 6am, such sales can only be made to ticket holders or
participants in the production for consumption on the premises, when there
Page 42is otherwise no access to the general public.
Casinos/Bingo Halls
Premises licensed to provide facilities for gambling under the Gambling Act 2005
with a membership scheme in operation between midnight and 6am.
Community Amateur Sports Clubs
(CASCs)
Those premises that have a relief from business rates by virtue of being a CASC
(definition found in Schedule 18 of the Finance Act 2002.)
Community premises
Those premises that have successfully applied for the removal of the mandatory
DPS requirement.
Country village pubs
Premises within designated rural settlements with a population of less than
3,000 (as appear in the qualifications for rural rate relief).
We believe that restaurants can become a focal point for the late night economy.
Restaurants serving alcohol late at night will attract revellers that have been
drinking elsewhere for a period of time, this brings its own problems of crime and
disorder and nuisance. We do not believe as a category that restaurants should
be exempted. (Do members have any others in mind)
7: Do you agree or disagree that licensing authorities should be able to
exempt Business Improvement Districts from the late night levy?
This would be fine if the BID was established to deal with the late night economy
issues in that area.
Page 438: Do you think that premises operating under a club premises certificate
should be exempt from the late night levy?
No not necessarily. We believe that this category should not be exempted as
businesses operating under a club premises certificate may also give rise to
crime and disorder issues.
9: What are your views on affording a reduction from the late night levy to
businesses that receive small business rate relief?
It does not follow that they will not contribute to late night problems, so we do not
agree with this.
10: Do you agree or disagree that there should be an exemption for New
Year’s Eve?
Agree
11: Do you agree or disagree that licensing authorities should be able to
ask for a reduced levy payment from businesses in a best practice
scheme?
Categories of premises that are recommended to be charged a reduced fee:
i) Members of a locally accredited Best Bar None scheme
ii) Members of a locally accredited Pub watch, Club watch or Shop watch
scheme.
The discount can only apply to one of the above three schemes. Criteria to be an
applicable pub watch scheme:
a) The local authority is satisfied that the scheme has clear aims
And objectives which are subject to a formal statement of intent or a
constitution and that it has demonstrated that its members are actively
working to reduce crime and disorder.
b) Membership is open to all licensed premises within the geographic
area.
b) The scheme has a Chair person and/or Coordinator who is
responsible for maintaining verifiable records of membership.
iii) Those premises which pay an annual individual contribution to a
Community Alcohol Partnership in their area. This definition does not include
subsidiaries of companies that pay a contribution on a national level.
iv) Premises that pay a levy in a Business Improvement District
(established under the Local Government Act 2003) where the authority is
satisfied
Page 44Do you agree or disagree that licensing authorities should be able
to ask for a reduced levy payment from these businesses?
This Authority does not object to any of these categories of premises being
charged a reduced fee. We believe this would depend on the level of involvement
and commitment the premises has to the scheme in question. This should also be
at the discretion of the Licensing Authority. Some premises may be regular
attendees at Pub watch meeting but can still be part of the problem of late night
disorder in an area.
12: Do you have any suggestions for benchmarks that can be applied to
grassroots schemes to ensure members are actively working to reduce
crime and disorder?
A Code of Practice possibly introduced through Pub watch? but this would seem
like a duplication of licence conditions
13: Do you agree or disagree with this set-up of cumulative discounts?
We believe a capped rate of 10% discount for membership of these schemes and
at the discretion of the Local Authority.
14: Should there be scope for further exemptions and reductions from the
late night levy?
No Comment (Do Members have any views on this?)
15: What activities do you think licensing authorities should be able to fund
with their retained proportion?
Improvements to signage in the area
Street cleansing
Taxi marshalling /taxi ranks
16: What restrictions do you think there should be on the types of services
that licensing authorities will be able to fund?
As stated above. The money that would be paid to the Metropolitan Police would
not be ring fenced to go back into funding schemes to deal with the late night
issues in that given area, it will be given to the Commissioner of the Metropolitan
Police to utilise as he sees fit to use anywhere. We would ask the Home office to
set in regulations that the money collected be used by the Borough Commander
to tackle alcohol related crime and disorder in the area.
(Do members have any views on this?)
17: If you have any comments on the Impact Assessment, please detail
them here?
None
Page 4518: If you are responding on behalf of a licensing authority, how many
premises do you expect will be affected by EMRO’s in your area
We would have around 274 premises affected by an EMRO

wasn't there a stabbing there a few years ago?  Remember blood on the pavement!  sounds like somewhere to avoid to me whatever the reason for the stabbing.....

The exterior is peculiarly uninspiring - the mildewed plastic shades bearing the name of a previous incarnation and the rough cast façade behind the name  do little to entice the passer by. This ad is apparently in Bulgarian

To add to this, there was police tape there this morning as well as forensics. Another crime taking place as someone had been assaulted.

The council and the police know about this place and every Saturday there is some kind of trouble with the clientele pouring into the streets, drugged up and out of their heads. How the council have granted a license like this in a clearly residential area shows the lack of sensible planning on the committee.

Reading their response below, they are leaving too many loopholes and not taking residents views into consideration is typical of Haringey's attitude to this kind of thing...if its not on their doorstep then little or no action takes place. What's to stop BG Max simply claiming it's a restaurant or bending the rules as it clearly has now to fit into the new EMRO system.

I'd like the council to share on this forum the documentation that allows BG Max to operate as it does. According to their licence rules, the club should haveclear plans to manage rubbish, crime and general order...one look at the bins at the back of the premises will show that they can't even manage their rubbish.

Why have a club so clearly out of keeping with the area and the local needs free to trade in nothing but trouble. It only invites a certain type of person and many of them have no care for the area or the families that live around here. They're clearly happy to carry knives, beat people up and cause sleepless nights.

I, and many others would love to see the council's response and would welcome them to come and see what they're allowing to happen first hand on any given Saturday night. Maybe then, once they see the blood spattered pavements that families with children have to walk past and the police and the CSI squad outside they may wish to actually do something.

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