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This map shows the site of the old Ashmount School in N19, which is just in Islington, but whose catchent area includes some Haringey Streets. The School is moving soon to a new site just off the Parkland Walk where the same cross border catchment will apply. I don't know the school but I wish it every success in its move and what looks like a splendid new location.
The move will leave a vacant site in a leafy residential street. Perhaps the obvious thing to do with it is to sell it to a property developer and allow the previous owners (Isilington, I assume) to profit from the huge demand for residential development in this part of London. Such a move would have implications.
Lyn Weber has published on her blog a number of dated pieces setting out the development of the planning brief for the site and for any one interested in this sort of thing its a worthwhile read. Haringey Council is one of the participants in consultation on the planning brief and has a couple of interesting things to say. For instance:
"Any redevelopment of the site for residential will result in a child yield which, in turn, will lead to an increased demand for school places in the local area"
Now 'child yield' is not some Dahl-ian concept based on the behaviour of witches or ogres, it simply means that some children will live in the houses. Haringey's concern is that some of these children will apply for admission to Haringey schools.
Also, from the same Haringey document:
"Islington’s projections show that, by 2016, surplus capacity [for primary schools] in the area will have decreased to less than 0%"
I draw severl quite positive inferences from this:
2) Haringey and Islington are sharing information, which might imply joined up thinking
3) Haringey does consider the pressure on school places to be a relevant factor when considering proposed developments
For any one with an active interest there is an Ashmount Site Action Group (ASAG) which also playing a part in the development of the planning brief and the disposal of the site
Well this years offers are just out (for Primary School places) anyone have any news about what is happening?
Well I have some news.
Not authoritative or "official' More like reasonably well informed gossip. (So perfect for Opinion8 )
Officers at Islington tell me informally that everyone who applied for a place at a primary school in Islington this year got one; apart from 6 or 7 late applicants which will have to be dealt with separately. Of course this does not mean that everyone got their first preference, or even one of the schools they applied for (I know of one resident in Tufnell park who did not get any of their six preferences -schools in Islington and Camden -and was upset to be offered a place at a school a tube ride away. They will have to put their faith in waiting lists I fear. But then there will probably be a lot of movement on waiting lists.
I have heard that not everyone in Muswell Hill got a place despite the expansions of Tetherdown, and Rhodes Avenue's more recent increase in intake. This may even have gone so far as to amount to the opening up of new admissions 'black holes" in Muswell Hill. The new Jewish Free School was hugely oversubscribed it seems.
I dont know anything about Crouch End yet. Surely someone on here..?
(Ashmounts catchment covered Crouch End last year and is oversubscribed again this year but I do not know the radius yet.)
I was really interested to see this; I wonder does this mean that there is a new "black hole" opening up in central Crouch End, (Which, this year, a bulge class of 30 at Weston Park would fix)? or is it just a case that Weston Park happens to be a possible site for a bulge class? (The expanded Coleridge and Rokesly would not be able, I imagine), but still worth adding the numbers as it might have a knock on in the direction of Muswell Hill. Does anyone know when the figures get published? There is a really interesting website about this but of course it is still based on last years figures. Find it here:-
(as for Autumn 2011)
The bulge class at Weston Park is confirmed by the way; a notice went up on their school website on the 11 May 2012. But Opinion8 had it first.....
and here is the information about the other bulge classes:-
Earlsmead Primary School 30
Triangle Children’s Centre 30
Bounds Green 30
I lack the local knowledge to know whether any of these have an impact in N8.
I presume the main effect of the Weston Park bulge will have been to clear its waiting list. if the children on that waiting list were also on the waiting list for Rokesely and Coleridge some movement may have taken place.
Regarding Ashmount, apart from knowing we are, as usual, over subscribed we do not know our admission radius yet, or where applicants are from. we do know that some people refused places are appealing.
It would take too long to correct David Barry's historical account, but it is just worth emphasising that ASAG's view is not that Ashmount School's existing building needs to be preserved, but that that is one of the options. ASAG has members with a variety of views on this subject.
"it would take too long to correct" is merely assertion not argument. If you have "corrections" make them, and let discussion be joined if appropriate. Writing that I am wrong, but not saying how I am wrong does not advance things very far.
I am interested to hear that ASAG no longer supports the view that the best course of action involves the preservation of the building. Downgrading your position on this from the only acceptable solution to the problem of what to do with the building being to refurbish, to it being "one of the options" is a significant advance in your thinking for which you should be commended.
It was always the difficulty of getting a satisfactory refurb that was a core driver of the project from the school's point of view as it led the Governing Body to the position that the only satisfactory solutions for the school were either a demolish and rebuild on site or to move to another site.
Oh dear - more misrepresentation. It has never been ASAG's position that the only solution is for the school building to be kept. The condescending tone of David Barry's response does not encourage further communication.